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Brian/Michael shippers [Jan. 30th, 2006|07:32 pm]
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The thing is, Brian/Michael shippers are like Harry/Hermione shippers. What they fail to realize is that the two characters already have a great relationship, and don't need nor want to screw it up with sex.

Brian's a selfish prick, and takes many things in his life for granted. Except Mike. They accept each other, no apologies, no regrets. They support each other in hard times. But by no means is that a basis for a good romantic relationship. In fact, it's probably better for Michael that they never fuck. Getting involved with Brian leads everyone down a spiral of heartache and headache. Just look at Justin. He fell in love and look where it got him. A gimp hand, and an affair.
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[User Picture]From: pluvial_poetry
2006-01-31 01:01 am (UTC)
Well, even being a Brian/Michael shipper, I kind of agree. It probably was better that they never had sex if only because that way they could preserve their friendship. And I think it's in friendship that they accept each other fully.

Because on the other hand I think both ships (both B/J and B/M) are somewhat based on the idea that Brian can change. That maybe someday he'd want to settle down and be monogamous and admit that he's capable of love.

And looking at it that way, it's impossible to have a love relationship with Brian as he is, yet how can they expect him to be different? If he were to change would he still be loveable? Because he wouldn't be the man that they fell in love with.

So yeah, I think we agree. Being in love with Brian is a bad idea.


P.S. I hope you didn't post this to incite a flame war, so I responded as if you didn't. Here's hoping I'm right.
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[User Picture]From: veryshortlist
2006-01-31 01:28 pm (UTC)
Oh no, of course I don't want a flame war. I just had this train of thought and wanted to share it with someone who would get what I'm talking about. [If I talk to my mum about this, for example, she'll nod and smile, but not get what the hell I'm talking about.]

both ships (both B/J and B/M) are somewhat based on the idea that Brian can change. That maybe someday he'd want to settle down and be monogamous and admit that he's capable of love

Part of being in a relationship is change, even unwilling, unwitting change. Brian does change, enough to adapt to his situation, and in part because of Justin's influence.


But then again, I do like B/M, if only platonically, because they're good freinds, though not necessarily very good for each other.
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[User Picture]From: pluvial_poetry
2006-01-31 08:00 pm (UTC)
Part of being in a relationship is change, even unwilling, unwitting change

Some change, yes. Fundamental, to the core, "you must be completely different or you'll never be worthy of me" change - no.

In the show, I agree - Brian does change a little through the seasons, thanks in part to Justin's influence. But I wasn't really thinking about the canon QAF when I said "(both B/J and B/M) are somewhat based on the idea that Brian can change. That maybe someday he'd want to settle down and be monogamous and admit that he's capable of love"

That's pure fandom critique. Because if we're going to talk about shipping, I think that both ships had unrealistic expectations that Brian would change. And then he didn't (not completely) and lots of people were therefore disappointed by the way the show ended.

So that's my POV on shipping for QAF. It was fun while it lasted, but it was never going to end well. Not with a character like Brian Kinney in the mix.
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[User Picture]From: veryshortlist
2006-02-01 05:05 am (UTC)
if we're going to talk about shipping, I think that both ships had unrealistic expectations

Shipping in general is unrealistic. It's great to imagine, and write manifestos and the like, but in the end, all shipping, all fic is a detour from the intent of the writers.

I kind of liked the fact that Brian didn't change much. What makes him so compelling to me is his confidence that his lifestyle is valid and right for him. He has charisma and personality and keeps it throughout the show. To cite another charismatic character, Spike from BtVS changed nearly overnight from unabashedly evil to one of the good guys. There were extrenuating circumstances there, but ultimately he did change, in part to all his fans, and he was less interesting as a good guy.

...it was never going to end well

But when do things ever end well?
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[User Picture]From: nytelover
2006-01-31 03:39 am (UTC)

rambling

Okay... so my love of Michael is pretty well known in my cirlce. I'm not a huge fan of Brian Kinney. I find him too arrogant, and yes he takes too many things for granted. He's not really deserving of the love Mikey and Justin give him - although I'm not sure that I'd say they love him the same way.

And sure, I can agree about the whole wanting to change Brian thing. But Justin tried. Michael didn't. Again brings to mind how different the circumstances.

But see I can see the bond between Michael and Brian developing into something more - faster than I can see the bond between Justin and Brian developing. And Brian already changed within the show. He softened quite a bit from season 1 to season 5. And I think he was beginning to realized that he could. No one was stopping him from becoming who or what HE wanted.

And I also think that a relationship should never be about changing your partner - it can however be about you changing yourself, and being accepted for it. Why else would Michael have been the one to come to Brian at the end like that. Just my opinion.
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[User Picture]From: bonobochick
2006-01-31 07:39 pm (UTC)

Re: rambling

And sure, I can agree about the whole wanting to change Brian thing. But Justin tried. Michael didn't. Again brings to mind how different the circumstances.

Agreed and that was a fundamental and important difference. When Brian tried to change to someone he thought Justin wanted, he essentially lost himself. Michael never asked nor wanted Brian to be anything but true to himself.


And yay for you flisting! Been wondering where you were.
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[User Picture]From: veryshortlist
2006-02-01 05:14 am (UTC)

Re: rambling

the bond between Michael and Brian developing into something more - faster than I can see the bond between Justin and Brian developing.

I guess I can see where you're coming from. [Not much I can add, really.]

My personal opinion is that Brian and Michael work best as friends. But that's just me.
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